An oral history interview with Ellen Proxmire, October 21, 2010

              more effective where he was. And as he gained seniority, by the time he retired, he was the most
senior member of the Senate. And you have positions with Committee chairmanships and
national recognition to be very - but I think people like Dick Cudahy and people who had known
him a long, long time really thought it was a good idea, but I didn't, (laughter)
You didn't?
I didn't.
Well, it seems to me he was probably too independent to —
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Right. And that he would have had to raise a lot of money, which wasn 't his —
Oh, and talk about being on the go!
Right.
And when I think what Obama did in two years, I mean, it's just -1 can't imagine. He had the
energy to do it, but it's too grinding a role, yeah.
Ellen Proxmire interview #2 Transcript 20 Proxmire Oral History Project