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1821] Coming of New York Indians 425 dians, particularly the Menomonees, was very close, and their influence with them very strong, almost potential. Some of the more shrewd among them very soon penetrated the ambitious de¬ sign of Williams, which was no less than a.total subjugation of the whole country, and the establishment of an Indian govern¬ ment, of which he was tO' be the sole dictator. The French and traders immediately organized into an opposition to the whole programme of the delegates. They were familiar with the Me- nomonees and Winnebagoes, present at their debates, counselled and advised with them in their deliberations, and when the an¬ swer of the Menomonees and Winnebagoes wasi given, it Was a deliberate and decided refusal to cede them an inch of soil west of Lake Michigan. It was plain to all, that the French and half breeds had answered, and not. the Indians. The delegates ex¬ pressed as much in their reply and affectionately requested their brothers to re-consider the matter, and answer for themselves, in¬ dependent of the French and half-breeds. Several days w^ere spent by both parties in out-door discussions; the French and half breed interest, finding their positon not safely tenable, counselled a kind of compromise, which being adopted, resulted in proposing a cession to their Eiastern brethren, the IsTot-ta-ways, of a strip of land five miles in width, running across the Fox Eiver at Little Chute as a centre, and thence to the North-west and South-east, equi-distant with their claims or |X>sse!Ssions. In offering this cession to the delegates as their ul¬ timatum, these tribes urged their limited posses'sions., the poverty of their hunting grounds, and their inability in consequence to subsist their people! The pO'Ssessions^ of the Menomonees then reached from the inouth of Green Bay to the Milwaukee Eiver, North and South, and from Lake Michigan to the Mississippi, South-east and ISTorth-west. Those of the Winnebagoes included all the remainder of what is now known as Southern, Wisconsin, except the inconsiderable tract west of Sugar Eiver, claimed by the Sauks and Foxes. They were very much crowded, of course! The delegates saw that the object was, by placing them on a
Object Description
Page Title | Advent of the New York Indians into Wisconsin |
Author | Ellis, Albert Gallatin, 1800-1885 |
Place of Publication | Madison, Wis. |
Source Publisher | State Historical Society of Wisconsin |
Source Creation Date | 1903 |
Language | English |
Digital Format | XML |
Electronic Publisher | Wisconsin Historical Society |
Rights | We believe that online reproduction of this material is permitted because its copyright protection has lapsed or because sharing it here for non-profit educational purposes complies with the Fair Use provisions of the U.S. Copyright Law. Teachers and students are generally free to reproduce pages for nonprofit classroom use. For advice about other uses, or if you believe that you possess copyright to some of this material, please contact us at asklibrary@wisconsinhistory.org. |
Electronic Publication Date | 2004 |
Digital Identifier | TP049000 |
Description | Surveyor, journalist, and politician, Albert Ellis came to Wisconsin in 1822 as an advocate for the Oneida Indians. After accompanying an early group on their journey west, Ellis worked to negotiate land claims for the Oneida, Stockbridge, Brothertown (sometimes spelled Brotherton) and other eastern tribes in Wisconsin, including a protracted series of treaty negotiations with the Menominee Indians given here. Although he wrote this essay in a dispassionate voice, Ellis had in fact participated in most of the events he relates, and offers memories of Menominee chief Oshkosh, Eleazar Williams, and other principal actors. Ellis went on to publish the first newspaper in Wisconsin and to serve in a variety of public offices. |
Owner | Wisconsin Historical Society Library |
Format | Text |
Recommended Citation | Ellis, Albert Gallatin. "Advent of the New York Indians into Wisconsin." Collections of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin, vol. 2 (Madison, 1903): 415-449; online access at http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/turningpoints/search.asp?id=49 |
Document Number | TP049 |
Size | p. 415-449 ; 23 cm. |
URL | http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/turningpoints/search.asp?id=49 |
Owner Collection | Stacks |
Owner Object ID | F576 .W81 vol.2 |
Series | Collections of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin ; v.2 |
County | Brown County; Calumet County; Oconto County; Outagamie County; Shawano County; Winnebago County |
City | Green Bay |
State/Province | Wisconsin; Indiana; Michigan; Missouri; New York |
Gender | male |
Race and Ethnicity | Native Americans |
Event Date | 1810-1838 |
Event Years | 1810-1838 |
Intellectual Life | Newspapers |
Politics | Indians of North America Government relations; Indian reservations; |
Religion | Clergy; Missionaries |
Social Relations | Race relations; |
Indian Tribe | Menominee; New York Indians; Oneida; |
Type | Text |
Description
Page Title | Page 425 |
Author | Ellis, Albert Gallatin, 1800-1885 |
Place of Publication | Madison, Wis. |
Source Publisher | State Historical Society of Wisconsin |
Source Creation Date | 1903 |
Language | English |
Digital Format | JPG |
Electronic Publisher | Wisconsin Historical Society |
Rights | We believe that online reproduction of this material is permitted because its copyright protection has lapsed or because sharing it here for non-profit educational purposes complies with the Fair Use provisions of the U.S. Copyright Law. Teachers and students are generally free to reproduce pages for nonprofit classroom use. For advice about other uses, or if you believe that you possess copyright to some of this material, please contact us at asklibrary@wisconsinhistory.org. |
Electronic Publication Date | 2004 |
Digital Identifier | TP049011 |
Owner | Wisconsin Historical Society Library |
Format | Text |
Size | 23 cm. |
Owner Collection | Stacks |
Owner Object ID | F576 .W81 vol.2 |
Series | Collections of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin ; v.2 |
Full Text | 1821] Coming of New York Indians 425 dians, particularly the Menomonees, was very close, and their influence with them very strong, almost potential. Some of the more shrewd among them very soon penetrated the ambitious de¬ sign of Williams, which was no less than a.total subjugation of the whole country, and the establishment of an Indian govern¬ ment, of which he was tO' be the sole dictator. The French and traders immediately organized into an opposition to the whole programme of the delegates. They were familiar with the Me- nomonees and Winnebagoes, present at their debates, counselled and advised with them in their deliberations, and when the an¬ swer of the Menomonees and Winnebagoes wasi given, it Was a deliberate and decided refusal to cede them an inch of soil west of Lake Michigan. It was plain to all, that the French and half breeds had answered, and not. the Indians. The delegates ex¬ pressed as much in their reply and affectionately requested their brothers to re-consider the matter, and answer for themselves, in¬ dependent of the French and half-breeds. Several days w^ere spent by both parties in out-door discussions; the French and half breed interest, finding their positon not safely tenable, counselled a kind of compromise, which being adopted, resulted in proposing a cession to their Eiastern brethren, the IsTot-ta-ways, of a strip of land five miles in width, running across the Fox Eiver at Little Chute as a centre, and thence to the North-west and South-east, equi-distant with their claims or |X>sse!Ssions. In offering this cession to the delegates as their ul¬ timatum, these tribes urged their limited posses'sions., the poverty of their hunting grounds, and their inability in consequence to subsist their people! The pO'Ssessions^ of the Menomonees then reached from the inouth of Green Bay to the Milwaukee Eiver, North and South, and from Lake Michigan to the Mississippi, South-east and ISTorth-west. Those of the Winnebagoes included all the remainder of what is now known as Southern, Wisconsin, except the inconsiderable tract west of Sugar Eiver, claimed by the Sauks and Foxes. They were very much crowded, of course! The delegates saw that the object was, by placing them on a |
Event Date | 1810-1838 |
Event Years | 1810-1838 |
Type | Text |